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Posted by Tim on Monday, March 10, 2008 | Permalink
 

The server this site is on has just had its php upgraded. This has had the interesting effect of stopping everything from working properly. I'm currently trying to get it all sorted and, hopefully, have a bit of a tidy up around here. In the meantime, feel free to look around - there is actually some good stuff hidden in this mess of a website.

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just testing...
Tim, 19.03.2008, 5:49pm #
Stumbled in here and like what I see... How are you going with getting back on your php feet again?
Because I'm looking forward to reading more.
katherine, 13.07.2008, 9:51pm #
Your brain need testing Tim?
Lost a lot of brain cells downing pints!!
RHF, 19.07.2008, 10:35pm #
hey man,you are a asshole.Maybe it was GOD fucking up your piece of shit site and your brainless fucking ideas.Eat some shit and die becuase you need to hurry up and burn in hell justifyingly
tim, 28.08.2008, 7:23pm #
Ahh, Christian love and forgiveness ... I'm so moved ...
Tim, 28.08.2008, 7:50pm #
Well, I think "God" is probably punishing you for your grievous "sins" by f**ing up your site. Great work on this site! For one, it's hilarious to read these goofballs; two, it keeps them busy typing and not prosthelytising!
PSYOP, 09.09.2008, 6:26am #
People of faith are scared ofthe TRUTH! Evidence and science shows that all religous myths are fictious. Hey, I wish Santa was real, but he is about as real as God. The human race needs to evolve beyond this "bullshit"! I asked a really religious person that if I could prove that God (in the personal sense) wasn't real, would you want me to prove it to you? The answer was NO. I think that answer speaks for the vast majority of religious people. IGNORANCE IS BLISS!!! Study the science and FACTS. Grow-up religious community like you did when you found found out Santa wasn't real.
nevada chan, 14.09.2008, 7:34am #
People of faith are scared ofthe TRUTH! Evidence and science shows that all religous myths are fictious. Hey, I wish Santa was real, but he is about as real as God. The human race needs to evolve beyond this "bullshit"! I asked a really religious person that if I could prove that God (in the personal sense) wasn't real, would you want me to prove it to you? The answer was NO. I think that answer speaks for the vast majority of religious people. IGNORANCE IS BLISS!!! Study the science and FACTS. Grow-up religious community like you did when you found found out Santa wasn't real.
nevada chan, 14.09.2008, 7:35am #
People come in here and stick up for their God because they believe if they do they will be justly rewarded at their time of death. These people are just brainwashed who believe what someone told them instead of thinking and/or reading for themselves. The Bible was not written by a perfect God it was man who wrote it. Ask yourself this question. Who created God? The answer is easier than you think and when you find the answer to that one (and there is an answer) then you will truly be enlightened.
RJ, 15.09.2008, 4:41pm #
hey i just wanted 2 congradulate you on this site, i thought that the christian quiz was extremely interesting and showed that (unlike the christians) you wish to hear the christian view point and in turn have relevant arguments against it, wheras the christians seem to have a (rather childish) "im right and your wrong because i say so times infinitie" policy. i am a teenager of 16 and i am completly overwhelmed by the attrocities commited in the name of religion and how the church sumhow thinks it can sweep these "misdeeds" under the rug and never really reveal what has been done.

i read through some of the answers to your christian quiz and in the 1st 3 i saw the 3 steriotypical believers, 1: the moderately intelligent but quite delluded believer, 2: a believer which is content in his/her beliefs and also with your beliefs and number 3: the childish, stupid, mind-numbingly ignorant believer i quote here "I cannot believe that you would ask such a stupid question" - steve, christianity questionair feedback, that quote is the equivelant of a child being told to shutup and replying with "yeh well your stupid"

anyway thankyou for this site, although if uh "steve" is anything to go by i doubt you will change many peoples mind
charlie, 14.11.2008, 3:38pm #
to PSYOP: Did you mean Proselytising? Because "Prosthelytising" isn't a word. You were probably thinking of the word "prosthetic", and got confused.

By the way charlie, have you noticed that about half of the answers didn't actually answer the question it was supposed to be directed at? What I REALLY want to see is some for the people who put in their answers to the quiz to reply to tims answers to their answers to the quiz (kinda complicated, probably, it might take you a sec to get your head around that, specially if you're "steve".
Numerous, 04.01.2009, 12:03pm #
Tim, your no match for me and neither are the rest the deluded atheists that post on this site. They just can't basic probability theory.
No worries, a few trillion years and random chance, you'll get DNA, RNA, amino acids and hemoglobin.

Try cutting down to 10 points a day. Stop hanging around the pubs at night and go home to your family.
Where's Brother Jeff? Hope he's discovered the truth.

SAN DIEGO chargers will win the superbowl. I'll be leading the parade Feb 2.

Cheers from San Diego.
RHF, 06.01.2009, 11:14pm #
RHF, how are we deluded? Is it because we don't believe in this supposed god you're always ranting about? When was the last time you recieved a supposed sign from god which COULDN'T have just been your imagination, or a hoax, or a fluke? If you can give me DEFINITE PROOF THAT GOD EXISTS, then I'll stop being an atheist and tell you you're right. If you can't (that shouldn't be an if, but I'll give you a chance to try), then shut up and stop calling us "deluded atheists" and telling us we're wrong.
FACT OF LIFE: We have WAAAY more to explain how god doesn't exist than you do that explains how it should. And don't give me some shit about "the bible is proof", because it could have been written by anyone, especially since there's been 2000 years since it was written.Now, gimme a laugh, try to prove that god exists. key word: TRY.
The problem with your god is that the whole thing is DESIGNED so that it can't be proven that god doesn't exist. No matter what we say, you'll just say "god doesn't want to interfere", or "god has a plan, a grand plan that is so complicated, you wouldn't possibly be able to understand it", (which is like someone trying to punch someone else, then saying "I meant to miss, it's all part of my plan to get you offguard", or some stupid excuse like that).
Numerous, 07.01.2009, 5:41am #
Also RHF, can you explain WHY you think that evolution is bullshit? The basic idea has EVERYTHING explained, except for the explanation of how a cell was created in the first place. But, just assuming that cells WERE created, why is it that you think that its impossible for evolution to work. I'm guessing you'll say "why isn't evolution happening right now?", so I'll answer that in advance (so come up with something else, don't just explain the "flaws", or something like that, you can do both if you like):
GENES arent the primary factor in our life any more. Right now, we have machines etc, so the only real effects that genes have are our intelligence, and the ability to control said machines. Now, I can't be stuffed writing it out, because I can't actually remember about half of it, but if you think about various "indigenous" tribes, then eventually you'll realise that evolution seems to have worked on that, too. For Aborigines, the soil quality, especially in inland Australia, was bad, which meant that staying in one place too long would result in a severe lack of food for the taking, which lead to the death of any said farmers, and the idea of farming. Result: The Aborigines have been nomads for thousands of years, living off the land for a couple of weeks before moving to the next spot, and going in a circle eventually, when the food grew back.
If you wanna know more about it, there's a (surprisingly short) article on it in wikipedia. link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme#Evolutionary_influences_on_memes
Numerous, 07.01.2009, 6:00am #
i think that something created the universe i dont believe something came from nothing. GOD is just a ? mark, nobody knows the answer to what god is. religion gives god a sort of charicter witch is bull shit. i realy dont think god or what ever it may be had a son called jesus. No one on earth knows what god is. religion is just a major money making, suicide bomber creating, war mongering piece of bullshit. that some clever guy made up in a country full of cave men. I know im gonna get some responces like you wityh burn in the depths of hell for what u say. well f88k you no i wont if he created me he knows how and why i think what i think so why would i be punished. religion = bollox
RIDLEY, 10.01.2009, 1:57pm #
Watch the Zeitgeist films, they make many many compelling points about how bullshit, false and manipulative relegion is.

FACT: More wars have been directly caused or acted out in the name of relegion than any other institution.
At any rate, how childish and naive and pathetic is it to base your life on essentially an invisible man in the sky.
Relegion is bullshit.
Declan, 12.01.2009, 12:53am #
Hey, I just realised; Even if you COULD prove that A god exists, even if you somehow prove evolution false (which would be pretty dam hard, or [I believe] impossible [because I believe that evolution is true, and also it's based on fact]), proving evolution false doesn't mean that creationism is automatically true, (although it would make it MORE LIKELY for it to be true) and even if creationism is proved true without a doubt, there's still the issue of "which god?". The fact is, there are tens of thousands of gods, and I haven't seen much proof from any of them. Besides, with christianity currently being the biggest religion around*, then chances are they'll have enough influence to find something that "proves" it true.
By the way, I doubt most of the bible is actually meant to be taken literally. Seriously, read through the bible, and try taking EVERYTHING literally. Just try it, then compare everything to science. See how much the bible claims compared to what's true. This means that the sole purpose of stars is to give us light, even though over 90% of stars can't be seen, which means god made them for no reason, and there isn't much point in that, although it does fit into the big bang theory very well.



*that's debatable, if you count seventh day adventist, anglican, protestants and catholics [and any others I missed, is the church of england supposed to be there or something?] as different churches, instead of the same, then islam is way bigger, even when you count the sheites [I have no clue how to spell that] and the sunnites as separate.
Numerous, 12.01.2009, 12:20pm #
Evolution is bullshit follows from understanding basic probability theory.
Try taking a course or two numerous.
But then again, given a few trillion years or more if needed and random chance you can get anything.
You can't get something from nothing. We did not evolve from lower life forms. You'll never convince me of evolution. The evidence for it is VERY WEAK.
Numerous, go join TIM in the pub. He's probably on his 15th pint of Kilkenny or Guiness by now. Make sure he gets home tonight.
RHF, 17.01.2009, 1:22am #
LINK:http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/abioprob.html
Try taking a course or two, RHF. Hopefully science will invent some way of extending life for a couple of trillion life, as well as proving evolution. Then, with that random chance you mentioned, you might get some intelligence* ;)

Also, do you understand the concept that 'lack of proof that something exists doesn't mean it doesn't exist'? For example: I play hockey. Right now, you have no proof that that is true. That does NOT, however, mean that I don't play hockey.

Seriously though, you might wanna read that link at the top. Also read: www.godisimaginary.com

For the record, I don't drink.

* I bet you're gonna take me literally, considering you actually believe the bible.
Numerous, 17.01.2009, 6:23am #
Numerous, you don't drink? Sure could have fooled me after reading your posts.
Go help Tim get home safely.
The guy is getting hammered at the pub right now and I want to make sure he delivers the milk on time Monday.

You have nothing to offer atheists. Jesus has much more to offer than you do.
RHF, 25.01.2009, 3:16am #
RHF, don't bother to post unless you're going to contribute to some sort of discussion. Currently the debate score is:
ATHEISTS 1
CHRISTIANS 0
Why? Because I've given an example for evolution, and I've given a plausible explanation for life. Don't forget that while evolution is just a theory, and so is the big bang, there are plenty of theorums (theories that have been proven correct, beyond doubt) that were once theories for a long time, and both evolution and the big bang are very, VERY hard to prove. Evolution is hard to prove because it's such a small event in reality (it's just a bunch of atoms getting mixed up so they land in X order), which then triggers a chain reaction which eventually results in life (simplified), no matter how important it is to us. As for the big bang, it's pretty dam hard to prove, because the older something gets, the less evidence there is to prove something happened (if you stab someone in their hypothetical chest, 30 seconds later there's plenty of proof. There's an unconscious person on the ground, or a corpse. Wait 1000 years, and it's almost guaranteed to be impossible to prove. The big bang happened as far back as possible (if it happened) and we have no experience of anything like it happening. Nothing similar to it has ever happened, and we have no idea why it happened, because there is literally nothing to tell us what was going on beforehand.

By the way, you said something the lines of "You have nothing to offer atheists. Jesus has much more to offer than you do". The thing is, this makes no sense. It doesn't matter if atheism has nothing to offer anyone. It's a fact. Choosing one because it offers something that the other doesn't is called WISHFUL THINKING. If everyone and everything you was taken, and was all burned in front of your eyes, and you knew it wasn't fake, then someone came up to you and said that you were in something like the matrix, and they didn't really die, then if you actually believed them, that would be equivalent to what you said. The fact is, RHF, you really _want_ what's said in the bible to be true. I mean, take a look at Pascal's wager (look it up on wikipedia. By the way, I'd heard about it before, but I didn't get until now it's significance. At least you taught me something, albeit accidentally).
Do something similar. If you assume that all non christians go to hell, then you have everything to gain if you do what the pope/bible says and god is real. Although, from the look of SOME christians (ie most), your chances are looking slim. You're ignoring half the bible, and interpreting it how you like. Have you eaten pork, or shellfish any time recently? If you have, you're a sinner, and you didn't think twice of it. After all, if it was a perfect god, who wrote the bible, then time doesn't matter, and he'd write the bible for everyone of all times in the future, not just what appealed to the current people (after all, he's all-knowing, he knows EVERYTHING, of the past, present and future).



Now RHF, if you truly are christian, then you'll stop being a moron and start acting like you're older than 4. If you don't know what you mean, I'll give you your posts if you were atheist, with the same level of maturity, and talking to a christian (I'll add comments, but only at the end, between to asterisks):
Your brain need testing Tim?
Lost a lot of brain cells downing pints!!
*Wow, your first comment needs no changes if you redirect it to a christian called Tim. You don't explain why you think he's an idiot. It's also incredibly immature.*
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Tim, your no match for me and neither are the rest the deluded christians that post on this site. They just can't basic probability theory.
No worries, a few trillion years and random chance, you'll get DNA, RNA, amino acids and hemoglobin. If you understand the science behind it, which you clearly don't.

Try cutting down to 10 points a day. Stop hanging around the pubs at night and go home to your family.
Where's Brother Jeff? Hope he's discovered the truth, in the form of a science textbook.

SAN DIEGO chargers will win the superbowl. I'll be leading the parade Feb 2.

Cheers from San Diego
*see, I made 2 or 3 small changes, no more. My arguments, however, need to be completely rewritten if you wanted to direct them back at me*.
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Christianity is bullshit follows from understanding basic logic.
Try taking a course or two in biology, numerous.
But then again, given a few trillion years or more if needed and random chance you can get anything.
You can't get something from nothing, and the matter needed for life was already around, just in the wrong shape. We did evolve from lower life forms. You'll never convince me of creationism. The evidence for it is VERY WEAK.
Numerous, go join TIM in the pub. He's probably on his 15th pint of Kilkenny or Guiness by now. Make sure he gets home tonight

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Numerous, you don't drink? Sure could have fooled me after reading your posts.
Go help Tim get home safely.
The guy is getting hammered at the pub right now and I want to make sure he delivers the milk on time Monday.

You have nothing to offer atheists. Jesus has no more to offer than false hopes.
*see? Now, try actually talking instead of this name-calling crap. Next thing on the list is you saying "God cexists because I said it exists TIMES INFINITY NO RETURNS!", if I (or anyone else) judge your maturity by the content of your posts.
By the way, don't just leave and never come back, if you think you're losing this. Because if you do, that just shows all the more that you're immature, and could believe in a fantasy.
Numerous, 04.02.2009, 7:56am #
Numerous - RHF is this blogs resident troll, I wouldn't waste your time bothering with him.
Tim, 04.02.2009, 1:26pm #
I know that, I'm just trying to get him to answer. I want to see why he's doing it.
Besides, he can't post anything here until he answers something, else he'll prove he's a moron.
If he posts anything else, just link it back here.

As naive as this is, it might possibly work. There's always some way of breaking the delusion.. I found that out personally.. someone I know was diagnosed of cancer, and for some reason, suddenly became a lot more mature. I wouldn't have ever expected it.
Cue idiotic troll response....
NOW
Numerous, 05.02.2009, 5:09am #
Haha. This is great. RHF I would like to know how it feels being owned so badly.
Eric, 10.03.2010, 5:21am #
P.S. I realize this is an extremely old post and RHF has probably completely strayed away from this site. But RHF, your mom and I created life in a lab... Mhh about nine months before you were born.
Eric, 10.03.2010, 5:43am #
IF GOD CREATED THE UNIVERSE, THEN WHO CREATED GOD?
Earlier it was impossible for us to give any satisfactory answer to this question. But modern science, rather we should say that Einstein, has made it an easy task for us. And Stephen Hawking has provided us with the clue necessary for solving this riddle. Actually scientists in their infinite wisdom have already kept the ground well-prepared for us believers so that one day we can give a most plausible and logically consistent answer to this age-old question. Let me first quote from the book €œA Brief History of Time by Stephen Hawking:
€œThe idea of inflation could also explain why there is so much matter in the universe. There is something like ten million million million million million million million million million million million million million million (1 with eighty zeroes after it) particles in the region of the universe that we can observe. Where did they all come from? The answer is that, in quantum theory, particles can be created out of energy in the form of particle/antiparticle pairs. But that just raises the question of where the energy came from. The answer is that the total energy of the universe is exactly zero.
Here the question stops. So the clue is this: if we can ultimately arrive at zero, then no further question will be raised, and there will be no infinite regression. What I intend to do here is something similar to that. I want to show that our God is a bunch of several zeroes, and that therefore no further question need be raised about His origin. And here comes Einstein with his special theory of relativity for giving us the necessary empirical support for our project.
God is a Being. Therefore God will have existence as well as essence. So I will have to show that both from the point of view of existence as well as from the point of view of essence God is zero. It is almost a common parlance that God is spaceless, timeless, changeless, immortal, and all-pervading. Here we are getting three zeroes; space is zero, time is zero, change is zero. But how to prove that if there is a God, then that God will be spaceless, timeless, and changeless? From special theory of relativity we come to know that for light both distance and time become unreal. For light even an infinite distance is infinitely contracted to zero. The volume of an infinite universe full of light only will be simply zero due to this property of light. A universe with zero volume is a spaceless universe. Again at the speed of light time totally stops. So a universe full of light only is a spaceless, timeless universe. But these are the properties of light only! How do we come to know that God is also having the same properties of light so that God can also be spaceless, timeless? Scientists have shown that if there is a God, then that God can only be light, and nothing else, and that therefore He will have all the properties of light. Here is the proof.
Scientists have shown that total energy of the universe is always zero. If total energy is zero, then total mass will also be zero due to energy-mass equivalence. Now if there is a God, then scientists have calculated the total energy and mass of the universe by taking into consideration that there is also a God. In other words, if God is there, then this total energy-mass calculation by the scientists is God-inclusive, not God-exclusive. This is due to two reasons. First of all, even if there is a God, they do not know that there is a God. Secondly, they do not admit that there is a God. So, if there is a God, then they have not been able to keep that God aside before making the calculation, because they do not know that there is a God. They cannot say that they have kept Him aside and then made the calculation, because by saying that they will admit that there is a God. At most they can say that there is no God. But we are not going to accept that statement as the final verdict on God-issue, because we are disputing that statement. So the matter of the fact is this: if God is really there, then scientists have shown that both the total mass and energy of the universe including God are zero. Therefore mass and energy of God will also be zero. God is without any mass, without any energy. And Einstein has already shown that anything having zero rest-mass will have the speed of light. In other words, it will be light. So, if God is there, then God is also light, and therefore He is spaceless, timeless. So from the point of view of existence God is zero, because he is spaceless, timeless, without any mass, without any energy.
Now we will have to show that from the point of view of essence also God is zero. If there is only one being in the universe, and if there is no second being other than that being, then that being cannot have any such property as love, hate, cruelty, compassion, benevolence, etc. Let us say that God is cruel. Now to whom can He be cruel if there is no other being other than God Himself? So, if God is cruel, then is He cruel to Himself? Therefore if we say that God is all-loving, merciful, benevolent, etc., then we are also admitting that God is not alone, that there is another being co-eternal with God to whom He can show His love, benevolence, goodness, mercy, compassion, etc. If we say that God is all-loving, then we are also saying that this is co-eternal with God. Thus we are admitting that God has not created the universe at all, and that therefore we need not have to revere Him, for the simple reason that He is not our creator!
It is usually said that God is good. But Bertrand Russell has shown that God cannot be good for the simple reason that if God is good, then there is a standard of goodness which is independent of God's will. Therefore, if God is the ultimate Being, then that God cannot be good. But neither can He be evil. God is beyond good and evil. Like Hindu's Brahma, a real God can only be nirguna, nirupadhik; without any name, without any quality. From the point of view of essence also, a real God is a zero.
So, why should there be any need for creation here, if God is existentially, as well as essentially, zero?
But if there is someone who is intelligent and clever enough, then he will not stop arguing here. He will point out to another infinite regression. If God is light, then He will no doubt be spaceless, timeless, etc. Therefore one infinite regression is thus arrested. But what about the second regression? How, and from whom, does light get its own peculiar properties by means of which we have successfully arrested the first regression? So, here is another infinite regression. But we need not have to worry much about this regression, because this problem has already been solved. A whole thing, by virtue of its being the whole thing, will have all the properties of spacelessness, timelessness, changelessness, deathlessness. It need not have to depend on any other external source for getting these properties. Thus no further infinite regression will be there.
H. S. Pal
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