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Unweaving the Rainbow

Posted by Tim on Monday, February 15, 2010 | Permalink
 

I though as I've just finished re-reading it, I would recommend what is by far my favourite book by Richard Dawkins, Unweaving the Rainbow (Amazon | Amazon UK). I think that it actually does a better job than The God Delusion of exposing religion - along with superstition, the paranormal, pseudo-science and plain bad reasoning - by showing that real science, properly understood, "does not disenchant nature, but rather enhances the poetry of experience by revealing the workings of the natural world in their full wonder". (The God Delusion was a book that I think rather preached to the choir; I doubt if many "true believers" would even pick the thing up in the first place, particularly as many would have been advised to stay away from it by their religious leaders, who presumably fear that Dakwins might have a valid point or two).

It goes into some detail on two of the things that I've always thought lead to religious belief - an inability to comprehend big numbers (which inhibits understanding of things like the size of the universe or the timescale involved in its formation) and not "getting" probability (which is why many people, when faced with what they see as an unlikely occurrence, think that "it must be God"). The part showing why the human brain is particularly good at recognising faces might explain why large numbers of people find significance in apparent images of Jesus on everyday items (such as a piece of toast). And on that subject, this made me laugh (particularly the last line) . . .


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Good stuff. I just recently found this site and blog and I find it immensely entertaining to read. I'm always looking for more good points to use in my debates. This video was pretty sweet too.
Andrew, 01.03.2010, 4:38pm #
I just discovered this site today. What an eloquent name; it gets right to the point! I agree completely with the points you make. What always amuses me is that although the religious continue to find Jesus images in food, etc., no one really knows what the man looked like (if he actually existed). So any image with a beard counts I guess.

I think it's time that the human race moves beyond 'old-time' religion and faces the reality of life alone on the blue marble. No one can save us from ourselves, but ourselves.

Peace to you, friend.
Tim, 09.04.2010, 2:36pm #
Hey there. I've only found your site and blog tonite and have only read one or two pages, but I must say, good work. Your expanations and arguments make sense and are easy to understand.

I was sent to a catholic school as a kid and I hated every second of it, so it's good to see someone with a bit of sence. It was almost painful to see my friends being brainwashed and really boring to sit in church every freakin day for an hour listening to some old guy dribble on about some horseshit in a caveman book. I admit, the morals they taught weren't at fault, it's just the other things they teach such as 'condoms are evil', 'stem cell research is evil', etc. that really get me mad because they are dragging down the human race as a whole.

I'm half asleep right now, so sorry if I don't make sense or went off topic a bit.

-Zac.
Zac, 02.06.2010, 2:05pm #
Yes! I just found this site, and i love it. I grew up questioning my parents on the religion the chose to follow, they only told me to turn to god. I "searched" for this being known to perform "miracles," and found no such thing. Your blog is amazing. May i refer you to all of my colleagues?
Reed, 02.06.2010, 3:07pm #
Greetings. I think it is awesome to question, be a critical thinker, be open to discussion, and consider all sources. When we think we are ripe, we are sure to waste away, yet when we think we are green, we are sure to always stay fresh. It seems that your mind is already made up on many things, that you are less here to learn and grow, but to confirm your box over and over again. Why be so passionately against something? Why not stand in the world for what you are for? I think it is interesting when any person generalizes an entire group of people. In such an instance, the person comes off as highly under-exposed, trapped within a suffocated domain of narrow-minded thinkers, as dull and darkened in understanding as their own supposed "adversaries". There are many who believe in Christ who have deep questions everyday. There are many who lived most of their lives without Christ, made many decisions without religious or spiritual counsel, and turned to God and Christ LATER in their lives. There are many Christians who are politically conscious, socially aware, radically alternative in their interpretation of the scripture, and struggle to come to an understanding that honors the state of this world and the word of God that thrives in their heart. You should talk to more of us, because we have just as many questions as you do, and are probably just as frustrated with most Christians as you are too! Make this world a better place by connecting and building relationships that strengthen and nurture this world, rather than destroy. I still don't understand people who choose to build a world based on their grudges, doubts, and skepticism rather than on their passion, purpose, love, and creativity. I believe in Jesus Christ and that He is the Saviour of our souls, that all our welcome to come upon Him. However I also think very few people on this planet are TRUE Christians, and that very few people truly understand the nature of the circumstances we call history, politics, oppression, and the gospel. The biggest thing most atheists and Christians have in common is that neither has read the Bible cover to cover with an open mind and heart at least once. Experimentation is good. Peace be with you and grace be upon you in the name of Jesus Christ.
K, 13.06.2010, 4:37am #
http://friendlyval.com/Various/I_left_atheism.htm
K, 13.06.2010, 4:42am #
Wow, so we're supposed to assume, from the link above:

Because the writer couldn't simultaneously be moral and be an atheist, everyone was like that.

That you apparently couldn't find any contradictions in the bible, without bothering to refute even one well-known contradiction.

Just because there will always be hypocrisy that automatically absolves religion from being the biggest hypocrisy of them all, by a long shot.

Sorry, I'm calling bullshit.
Numerous, 14.06.2010, 2:55am #
Its simply a narrative to read and think about. I love how much people CLING to their petty and typical arguments. You sound like a squeeler when push comes to shove. Hahaha...I love how predictable small-minded and desperate people are. How many people like to LEARN and EXPAND and not just CONFIRM their beliefs they've held on to for, how long? The sad thing is, you could be so much smarter if you wanted to be. Like I said, think about making this world, that you are so upset Christianity has helped to destroy,a better place by becoming better and not bitter, by changing the game and not letting the game change you, by sharing your talents to make this world a better place by focusing more on what brings people together than what divides them. See, the thing is, by doing so, you will simultaneously address and defeat a portion of the oppression you are against, while also staying in the positive realm and not descending to the negative. When you focus on the negative, that is where you stay. This is only to say, that is, if your grudge is TRULY against human suffering. Most people have an infinite amount of grudges underneath the surface that is what TRULY motivates them behind their well-pieced together platform. Holler when you re-invent the wheel, or have something new to bring to the table. Pretty unimpressive stuff all in all. Only good thing I saw on here was your likening of people talking about the wrath of God to abused women. Other than that, your stuff is dry as hell!
K, 14.06.2010, 3:51am #
I'd make a big long rant about how you're wrong, K, but then I realised you're just trolling.

So, in reply:

I love how much people CLING to their petty and typical arguments. You sound like a squeeler when push comes to shove. Hahaha...I love how predictable small-minded and desperate people are. How many people like to LEARN and EXPAND and not just CONFIRM their beliefs they've held on to for, how long? The sad thing is, you could be so much smarter if you wanted to be. Like I said, think about making this world, that you are so upset atheism has helped to destroy,a better place by becoming better and not bitter, by changing the game and not letting the game change you, by sharing your talents to make this world a better place by focusing more on what brings people together than what divides them. See, the thing is, by doing so, you will simultaneously address and defeat a portion of the oppression you are against, while also staying in the positive realm and not descending to the negative. When you focus on the negative, that is where you stay. This is only to say, that is, if your grudge is TRULY against human suffering. Most people have an infinite amount of grudges underneath the surface that is what TRULY motivates them behind their well-pieced together platform. Holler when you re-invent the wheel, or have something new to bring to the table. Pretty unimpressive stuff all in all. Only good thing I saw from you was that you acknowledged that ultimately, nobody at all is 100% open-minded.. Other than that, your stuff is dry as hell!

Also, if you're calling me closed-minded, maybe it's because I've already gathered plenty of evidence to come to my conclusion, and I haven't encountered sufficient valid evidence contrary to my views, or even any such evidence at all.

You give me something that science can't answer, and I'll give you 100 things religion can't answer and a link to the chernobyl gamma ray absorbing bacteria that proves evolution 100%.

Also, I'd appreciate if you used some sort of evidence whatsoever. Maybe even a quote, to indicate that you haven't copied and pasted that argument straight from a creationist forum.
Numerous, 14.06.2010, 5:26am #
I don't know everything, and I really don't need to. I just want to pursue knowledge and gain wisdom, and grow spiritually. I don't know why people have such a big conflict between creation and evolution. It's like, the Bible is not exactly "specific". The Bible says that all of the creation happened in a certain amount of "days". Who is to say what a "day" is? Do we really think a day is 24 hours? That is just our own measurement of a "day" according to a certain interpretation of time introduced by a certain group of humans. What if a "day" to God is the 40 or so million year difference between the prosimians and hominids? Just as an example. We all know that our evolutionary record between species, and between various "Homos" and their species has very large gaps.What was happening between these gaps that we do not have an account for? Also, the Bible doesn't say "MAN WAS MADE OUT OF THIN AIR!" It just says "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the Earth. So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them". I really don't see a strong link in that that is specifically opposed to evolution. It really just says that God made a decision, at a certain time, to make human beings. Could God have designed this process over the course of thousands of years, when the dimensions of time and space were completely different than today, thus constituting a notion of "day" that we do not use or know? Time is not constant, it is abstract, and it's relationship to space and matter has many different possibilities, consequences, and effects through out all galaxies. Even in our OWN galaxy, different planets have their own time systems.

Science can tell us HOW and at times WHEN. But does science tell us WHY? I really don't need "religion" to give me the same solid answers that I would expect science to. To me, religion is about my spirit, and the spirit of others, about becoming a humble person and having compassion for myself and for others, about standing up for more the rights of the living, about growing in maturity and expanding my wisdom, about seeing with new eyes and waking up everyday in awe of the creativity of the living world. Proof and faith are opposed to one another. If you are unwilling to believe until you have proof, you'll never believe. I understand a lot of people aren't willing to step into faith without proof, but it really doesn't work that way. Learning how to have faith is no simple challenge, and most people really can't do it, even "Christians". We have many fears, many doubts, insecurities, habits, control patterns, ideologies, traumas that seriously disturb our capacity to walk in faith. It really takes great measures of surrender, and most of us just cannot allow ourselves to do that. We learn how to walk in faith to allow the greatness of God to reign beyond our darkened and limited minds, and in doing so we can expand our own intellect and spirit in accordance with the infinite, as opposed to attempting to manipulate the infinite to our limitations. That is when we can learn more than we ever imagined.

Concerning conclusions- is this what we should strive for? Conclusions? I understand being practical, sure. Some things can be finished after a certain point. But when it comes to learning about the living world, are we ever really finished? How can we ever conclude? Even from a secular, athiest interpretation of science, new discoveries are always blasting old conclusions into ashes. I for one would like to always be hungry for more understanding, for more knowledge and wisdom, to always be curious and ask "What if there is something more to this?" I think that is what Jesus meant when He said "For judgement I have come into this world, that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may be made blind. Then some of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these words, and said to Him, 'Are we blind also?' Jesus said to them, if you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you say 'We see'. Therefore your sin remains" (John 9: 37-41). I think of sin as error in thinking in and being, therefore impeding upon the growth into true greatness that requires accurate thinking. When we sin, we think we see, but we're really blind. When we decide not to see, we actually can see. Like when we judge another person at face value based on our assumptions, stereotypes, habits, media brainwashing, and past experiences. In our "seeing", we are blind of who that person really is. When we decide not to "see", we can perceive that person's true essence, and we can grow and connect in love.

"Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge; it will vanish away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away...For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I hsall know just as I also am now. And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love" (Corinithians 13: 8-13)
K, 15.06.2010, 5:31am #
I thought about this a little bit more, and came up with a few more points of discussion:

-The book of Genesis does not make any account of "how long ago" God did his creation. The only mention of a timescale for the creation is "days", yet amiss from the text is "such and such years ago" or "at this point in time". In my comment above, I offered a deeper look into what could be meant by "days". Now, in the Encarta World Enlish Dictionary (which defines words from their contempary meaning, tracing down to their original meanings), the contemporary meaning of "day" is indeed "a period of 24 hours". Yet, when one looks further to it's older usage, it is "The time when a particular person or thing is active". YET, even further it is "A period of the earth's rotation about axis, a unit of time equal to the Earth's period of rotation about its axis, measured either relative to the sun or the stars, the period of time in which a planet revolves once on its axis". Now in Genesis 1: 3-5 it is written "Then God said 'Let there be light', and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day". Now, I understand that at least for thousands of years, we have known the eath to complete one rotation about its axis to be 24 hours. Yet, like I said, how do we know that this was the same time that it took in the beginning? Is it far fetched to consider that time was different back then? We know that time is speeding up right? The relationship between speed, distance, and time, as evidenced by our own technological creation, is shrinking. Anyways, also the word "day's" ancestry comes from the Latin word "fovere" which means "to warm", the underlying sense being "time when the sun is hot". So, going back to the Bible and the first day, the creation of light, and the division of light form dark, i.e. rotation around the axis, there is consistency there.

-The timeline issue further considered: the Bible does not provide a specific year when God did his creation. The only semblances of time that ar provided in the first books of Genesis or the "day", and later on Chapter 5, when the genealogy for dam and his offspring are provided. It says Adam's life lasted 930 years, Seth lived 807 years, Enosh lived 905 years, etc etc. The Bible itself does not say "God created 5000 years ago", or whatever number people throw out there to discredit the creation with the timeline of evolution.

-Also, the ORIGINS of the Bible are remarkably consistent with evolution's claims on where our early ancestors originated. We all know that move evidence points to the hypothesis that humanity's early ancestors where Africans, particularly Ethiopians, and that early civilization spread upwards into the fertile crescent valley, and later ancestors took the stage after Ice Ages when neanderthals emeged and all that. The Bible would be VERY false if it said that humans originated from Europe, or that our earliest ancestors were white people. Contrary to cultural and historical preoccupation with the fabled origins of Europe, the Bible is consistent with evolution's proven origins of Africa. As it i written in Genesis 2:10-14 "Now a river went out of Eden to water the garden, and from there is pard and became four riverheads. The name of the first is Pishon; it is the one which skirts the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold. And the gold of that land is good. Bdellium and the onyx stone are there. The name of the second river is Gihon; it is the one which goes around the whole land of Cush. The name of the third river is Hiddekel; it is the one which goes toward the east of Assyria. The fouth river is the Euphrates. This is a clear mapping of the Fertile Crescent Valley. Pishon being thought to swerve around Mesopotamia, Assyria of course, and the Euphrates of course. Cush is mentioned, which is the original name for Ethiopia, the Ethiopians being the original Jews and speakers of the Hamitic/early Hebrew language from which the Bible in all it's forms has been translated. So your picture on the main page is highly inaccurate. It looks like you have some sort of Middle Ages monks in Germany writing the Bible from scratch. If you are implying the fraudulence of the original writers, it would have been accurate to have depicted black African Ethiopian writing upon papyrus. However, if you were implying the editing of the Bible by European priests hired by the power interests of the empires which sought to use Christianity to invade and conquer people through out the world, you depiction of white, men of the Middle Ages is correct.
K, 15.06.2010, 5:27pm #
Science doesn't answer WHY, because there's no validating reason.

Unless given a WHY reason, then you can't assume there's any WHY except those you make yourself.

To assume that you need religion for WHY, though, is hypocritical, either use logic or don't. Ultimately, really, the WHY is abiogenesis, and evolution, and the big bang, these events are WHY we exist, they're the cause. To assume there's a specific purpose that we were created to achieve is to assume some external sentient being to set us a purpose, which defeats the purpose of using science to determine WHY in the first place.

Some of the arguments used, on this site.
Numerous, 17.06.2010, 9:08am #
You might be interested in this movie called "The Evangelist." Voted 1 of 2 movies for atheists to look out for by freethinkers.org

evangelistmovie.com
nate chapman, 18.06.2010, 11:39pm #
lol, I love it! You ask someone who believes in Christ to come to the table with some thoughtfully-considered arguments to discuss, I provide you with numerous points, and all you have to say is THAT? Oh, I get it now. You accuse people who believe in Jesus Christ of having lame and redundant arguments to the deflect from the matter that YOURS are.

"Your maxims are proverbs of ashes, your defenses are defenses of clay" (Job 13:12).

Why is science without purpose if our lives are? Science helps us discover the splendorous creativity of the living world in all it's forms. You confuse the HOW of science with the WHY of God, the PURPOSE of a God-Centered understanding with the CAUSE of science.

I'm not logical because I believe in Christ? I love it when people who try to use rationalism to discredit spirituality misuse rationalism on top of not even have studied extensively the spiritual scripture! Let me school you on "logic". According to you, if I were the way you say I am, I would be perfectly logical. Logical does not have to be truthful. If "logic" is your grand defense against the truth of the spirit, I suggest you find something more dependable, because logic can easily serve for good or evil. Logic is not constant, logic is MORE inconsistent than you claim the scriptures to be, because it has no foundation, all that is required of it is the appearance of linear consistency. All that logic requires is that the conclusion seemingly agrees with the preceding premises, nothing more. Nonetheless, logic is not my aim. I'm not interested in logic. I want more from life for myself, for you, and for all of us. I want the JOY that comes from the TRUE LOVE available to all of us, the TRUE LOVE that comes from the rapture! The TRUE LOVE that comes from a labor of love, a purposeful life of stewardship.

My dear friend, you have not decided to at least attempt to allow yourself to know the joy that comes from knowing God. You may feel "entitled" to your choice, and that those who believe "push" their beliefs on you. All I can say is this: I have been where you are, but you have not been where I am. I can speak on the life without Christ because I lived years without Him, I know what that life is like.

"That we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all thigns into Him who is the head-Christ-From whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love. This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind, Having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart" (Corinthians 14-18).
K, 24.06.2010, 2:52am #
Great website - good to see so many humourless godheads taking the bait. And yes we should revive the atheist bus with your slogan. Keep it up buddy.
andy, 09.08.2010, 7:30pm #
http://religion-theunhealthymyth.blogspot.com/
Todd, 14.09.2010, 7:54am #
I believe religion is bullshit. It is only a device for people to explain what they cannot and to be able to believe in something greater. People can't grasp the fact that this is their only life, and when it's over, just like every other organism. It's gone. The fact is there isn't anything greater. I believe that the only reason religion is still around is because when children are first exposed to it they are too young to object. They are brainwashed to conform and follow in line. If kids were kept neutral until an age where they can form a real opinion religion would be gone.
Hayden, 13.10.2010, 12:49am #
I am curious. What do you all believe?
The Hipster, 22.10.2010, 8:03pm #
Why are you slamming religion? any belief, in anything, is religion. Atheism is religion. It is the belief in no god. Belief in one god is christianity. Islam is a religion. postmodernism is religion.
yoyo, 22.10.2010, 8:12pm #
yes my friend religion is bullshit...glad someone agrees with me
Eela Muhaimin, 06.11.2010, 3:49pm #
I know this is not related to the post above, but recently, I came across The Church of Satan, and let me tell you, it was the stupidest shit i have ever read. One of the sins in the church of satan is that supidity is a sin. And i thought to myself, wow that's kind of ironic that a bunch of people who believe in some imaginary deity say that stupidity is a sin. Look in a mirror much?! And i am not joking either, check it out, their first sin is stupidity. What about the people that are born with mental handicaps? Are they sinful? I could point out the fallacies of the satanist church but to do so would take up my whole night.
the dude, 27.12.2010, 9:45am #
I asked a lagitamate question. What do you all believe?
The Hipster, 24.01.2011, 5:59pm #
sorry, I meant legitimate. I was typing in a hurry.
The Hipster, 24.01.2011, 6:00pm #
please list all of your "evidences" for Evolution
yoyo, 24.01.2011, 6:26pm #
There is no god - deal with it! :-D
god - lower case, the way it SHOULD be..., 07.02.2011, 4:41pm #
I just started searching about whether or not religion is legit, and I am just curious. If religion is real, then why are there so many alterations of "god", and why are we fighting over different view points of "god"? My roomate is muslim, we both go to university and for the most part we have alot in common. but for one month (I think it was october, or november, not sure) he did not eat until the sun went down. He would simply starve all day and binge eat or whatever at the end of the day. I didn't ask any details because I am not raised in a religious context. Anyways what Im asking is if god is indeed real, why would he want somebody to starve themselves for him?

Anyways I am not a believer or a non believer. I dont think there are enough facts to really have an accurate perspective on this issue yet.

I think we all realize there is something that happened back in the day involving jesus christ, or else why would there be so many religious cultures with this Jesus character involved?

Anyways, thought I'd point out in this blog- every entry is arguments with another regarding this concept. I think we dont need to "argue" and put eachother down, but you don't see historians fighting with eachother nearly to the extent of other historical figures as we do with Jesus and religion.

Its all crazy to me. In the end, Im glad I live in Canada. For the most part we never argue over any religious concepts. We just live. And Im sure if God and Jesus all happened they would prolly want that happenin too.



PEACE
chevy, 12.02.2011, 4:30am #
Not all religions are true. There is only one true God. "One God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all." Likewise, there is only one way to God and one way to Heaven. "Jesus answered, 'I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.'" Since there is only one way, all other ways are false. "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned." Talk about intolerance. Either you hit the bull's eye or you don't. Any other way is not the bull's eye.
Yes, I am intolerant. And so is every one on earth. If I slap someone, should they be tolerant of it? Who's to say that hitting is wrong? Humans all have have different views. Cannibals in Africa think cannibalism is OK, but Americans don't. Therefore, since no humans's view differ, they cannot make all the rules because others may deem it okay. If a cannibal comes to America, who's to stop him from eating people? In his society, Cannibalism is okay.
Because humans cannot make the rules, who can? Animals? No. God? Why not? God created us, shouldn't he have a say in how we act?
And by the way, "the dude," Did it ever occur to you that it is a Satanist church that you visited? There are two forces at work in the world. They are constantly battling each other. It is the greatest battle of them all: Good versus Evil. God is the good, holy, perfect, all-powerful, all-knowing, just, righteous deity, and if he were not perfect, he therefore would be sinning and be on the enemy's side. God's rival, The Devil, or Satan, is the opposite of God. He is called, "The father of lies," and many other phrases. The battle between God and Satan is like a giant chess game. Occasionally one wins a piece and occasionally the other wins. But, since God is all knowing, he knows who will win. Satan does too. God will eventually win. No matter what happens, God will win. Yes,Satan is also called the ruler of this world. Some people are stupid. No argument there. To worship Satan is stupid. To worship rocks is stupid. To worship anything other than the one true God who made everything is stupid.
Yes, that is intolerant. Either you hit the bull's eye or you don't.
But, I do not need to defend God. God will one day punish all nonbelievers. "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." Sinners can't go to Heaven. God is perfectly holy, and cannot tolerate sin. All he asks is that you believe in him, and believe that his one son came to Earth to die for your sins, because "The wages of sin is death," and He rose again, and God will forgive you and his son's blood will cover your sins.
As the song "Yes Today"(parody of Yesterday by the Beatles) goes,
If today you should hear His voice don't turn away
Now's the time that you should kneel and pray
And finally say yes today
Suddenly you might have to spend eternity
In a place you never want to be
Say yes today and just believe
Christ He died for all -- there's no soul He wouldn't save
There's just one thing you have to do say yes today
"Yes" today seems like such an easy thing to say
All you need is faith, so why delay?
Say, "I believe," and "yes" today
Why you might say no, I don't know ... I couldn't say
I'd say something's wrong if you don't say "Yes" today
Yes, today might just be your final chance to pray
All you need is faith, so why delay?
Say, "I believe," and "yes" today
Mmmmmmmmm

All of that song is true. There is no soul God won't save. It sounds too easy to just say yes, but it is that easy. If you don't, you could spend eternity in a place you never want to be, Hell.
Superboy, 11.04.2011, 7:59pm #
"'god', and why are we fighting over different view points of 'god' " - Most religions start off with one person or a small in group who gets a revelation from God. This small group then goes and converts the masses. Whats the obvious problem with this? If no-one was there to witness it, how do we know it happened? However... there is one religion that says God spoke to an entire nation. We testimony of the experience that was ratified by 3 million first hand witnesses.
gift, 19.05.2011, 2:23pm #
What is kinda confusing is that God created humans to be the perfect creation... which then ate from the tree of knowledge and became sinful etc. But why would the perfect creation be disobedient? God could not possibly do anything wrong, as he is omnipotent and omniscient. So then if we are sent to hell he is punishing us because we did what he created us to do? something that he could change without a smallest ounce of effort? That sounds like punching someone that did exactly what you wanted, because that person did exactly waht you wanted...
Confused, 08.12.2011, 1:19am #

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